Author Topic: Minimal A Challenge (Read 43086 times)

Groudon · « **Reply #30 on:** December 14, 2006, 09:41:37 pm »

There's one level in Shadow I think could be completed with 0 A presses, but it seems very unlikely.

On The ARK, not holding A will cause you to fly extremely slow. The area with the turrets right before the key door is a death trap without holding A. Getting through here slowly will require clever dodging of the missiles from the turrets.

Ring Rush · « **Reply #31 on:** December 14, 2006, 10:31:34 pm »

Wheeeee, check out my new Meteor Herd 3 record XD

Getting hit by a meteor to remove a jump FTW!

X-5 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 15, 2006, 08:02:44 am »

Quote from: Stefan on December 14, 2006, 08:55:42 pm

also allow hunting m1s.. it's skillfull regardless of luck. you don't need perfect layout to get a 0 press wc1.

I agree, as long as it's required that you play them on mission 4 or mission 1 without restart/death abuse.

Green hill- 43.44, C (0)

I did a run for metal harbor 3 but forgot the decimal(again) i'll do it again later.

Stefan · « **Reply #33 on:** December 15, 2006, 08:05:04 am »

my 53 gh1 felt nearly flawless. :O

KnucklesSonic8 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 15, 2006, 04:20:17 pm »

Quote from: Marth on December 13, 2006, 08:24:47 pm

Quote from: knuckles_sonic8 on December 13, 2006, 06:39:29 pm
Quote from: SilvertheAlmighty on December 13, 2006, 05:31:50 pm
Did we add Sonic Adventure/Dx yet? That might be fun... (maybe a minimal a&b challenge would be fun....)
EDIT: Move this to competition central some1, would ya?

On my way home from school I was thinking about that. Maybe I'll do a few runs and check it out.

And Ring Rush, trust me, Riders could still work. Yes, it is a racing game but trust me that's not all that's there for each track. As I mentioned earlier, the challenge would be good because you'd be seeing how a person would do without using non-formation type (e.g., Speed, Flight, Power) shortcuts (which requires the usage of the A Button). But if you don't wanna add it, then scrap it. I don't mind.

But seriously, let's do SA too.

Oh, and Groudon, I knew you'd help me with the chart so it was kinda like a rough cut of it. Ring rush, don't forget to take Groudon's updated chart not my old one, okay? Thanks, G.
Yeah, do SA. I think I'd try it.

Um, about Riders, a no-A run would just mean no proper use of ramps, and no use of rails.
How does flying or punching use the A button?

I was explaning what formations are since he didn't know about the game. Must not have phrased it right but yeah I did mean the non-use of shortcuts/ramps.

edit: New stats. Dunno if they're up to par with others but I'll still submit 'em anyway for the charts:

Heroes:
Power Plant, Rose 7A, 2:35:43 (A)
Ocean Palace, Rose: 8A, 3:36:79, (B)
Ocean,Sonic: 12A, 4:30:78 (D)
Lost/Rose 8A, 1:48:13 (A)
BINGO/Rose, 8A 3.31.13 (A)
Mystic/Rose 9a 2:32:88 (B)
Rail Canyon/Rosse 5A 2:30:31 (A)
Grand Metropolis/Sonic 0A's, 4:11:16 (D)
Grand/Dark 7A 5:55:06 (E)
Frog/Chaotix 12A, 3:25:89 (C)
Rail/Chaotix: 10A 4:59:69, (D)
Seaside, Chaotix, 1A, 3:09:21, (C)
Ocean/Chaotix 8A, 2:54:18, Rank C
Hang/Sonic 10A, 5:35:16, (E)

SA

Sonic/Ecoast 1A, 1:48:41
Tails, Windy 1A 1:32:75
Amy/Final Egg 0A, 2:33:10
Tails, Casino 2A, 1:04:88
*Tails/Speed Highway is just too tedious.
Sonic/Windy 2A 2:30:50
Gamma/Windy 5A 4:16:66
Gamma/ECoast 0A 2:59:36
Gamma/Final 0A 3:13:05

SA2B

Green Forest 2A 3:24:80 (D)
Sky Rail 25A 2:34:70 *Too much.... (D)
*Dunno if it's up there but Hidden Base is way too tedious too.
Pyramid Cave, 18A 3:45:87 D *Too much...

X-5 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 15, 2006, 05:13:34 pm »

Quote from: Stefan on December 15, 2006, 08:05:04 am

my 53 gh1 felt nearly flawless. :O

optimize your route, and you might get sub 40. :P

and as promised: Metal harbor 3- 46.19, A (0) I had thought the M3 super jump was the best way A press wise,(2) turns out the mystic melody route allows for a nice 0.

Ring Rush · « **Reply #36 on:** December 15, 2006, 06:13:50 pm »

Okay, all updated (except for paragod's time which I will do as soon as I am done posting this).

Can someone create an SA(DX) level chart?

KnucklesSonic8 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 15, 2006, 06:20:01 pm »

Quote from: Ring Rush on December 15, 2006, 06:13:50 pm

Okay, all updated (except for paragod's time which I will do as soon as I am done posting this).

Can someone create an SA(DX) level chart?

I'll gladly do it. Should finish it tomorrow if not today when/if I come back. If I don't come back, I went to get Banana Blitz. :D

edit:
Here you go:

Emerald Coast/Sonic ~ 1 ~ 1.23.31 ~ Paragod
Emerald Coast/Gamma 0 ~ 2.59.36 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Windy Valley/Sonic ~ 9 ~ 1.57.25 ~ Paragod
Windy Valley/Tails ~ 1 ~ 1.32.75 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Windy Valley/Gamma ~ 5 ~ 4.16.66 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Casinpolis/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Casinpolis/Tails ~ 2 ~ 1.04.88 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Casinpolis/Knuckles ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Icecap/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Icecap/Tails ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Twinkle Park/Sonic ~ 7 ~ 2.53.38 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Twinkle Park/Amy ~ 1 ~ 1.42.30 ~ knuckles_sonic8 (0 is possible)
Speed Highway/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Speed Highway/Tails ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Speed Highway/Knuckles ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Red Mountain/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Red Mountain/Knuckles ~999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Red Mountain/Gamma ~ 6 ~ 3.06.81 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Sky Deck/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Sky Deck/Tails ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Sky Deck/Knuckles ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Lost World/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Lost World/Knuckles ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Final Egg/Sonic ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Final Egg/Amy ~ 0 ~ 2.33.10 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Final Egg/Gamma ~ 0 ~ 3.13.05 ~ knuckles_sonic8
Hot Shelter/Amy ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody
Hot Shelter/Gamma ~ 999 ~ 0.00.00 ~ Nobody

All stats inputted.
edit: Chart has been updated. Sorry Paragod. :P
edit: Ring Rush, new stats for Heroes:

Bullet Station/Rose 4A 2:06:76 (A)
Power/Chaotix 6A 4:06:53 (B)
Bullet/Chaotix 9A 10:29:93 (E) - As you can see, this took a while... :P

X-5 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 16, 2006, 07:36:37 am »

you messed up on windy valley/sonic, I pressed A 9 times, not just once :P

green forest 3- 1:29.77, A (0) edit: Got the A rank this time, though this is still far from good if anyone's willing to put up with the semi-randoness at the end.

Groudon · « **Reply #39 on:** December 16, 2006, 02:42:26 pm »

Red Mountain/Gamma ~ 6 ~ 3.20.06
Final Egg/Gamma ~ 0 ~ 3.39.90

Remember, the timer on Gamma's levels count down, so record the higher time.

Marth · « **Reply #40 on:** December 16, 2006, 10:54:48 pm »

Okay, here's the start of my SA stuff:

Sonic

Emerald Coast- (1 press) 1'24"73 (Forgot how good the record was, so I stopped. Also, EC is boring.)
Windy Valley- (5 presses) 1'55"50 (4 is possible by trying harder, or by playing on Adventure mode.)
Final Egg- (4 presses) 2'03"60 (3 or even 2 may be possible. I'll have to look more.)

Gamma

Final Egg (0 presses) 3'58"26 (Didn't really try on the first 2 Gamma stages, because they're boring.)
Emerald Coast (0 presses) 3'18"53 (Also boring.)
Windy Valley (1 press) 2'46"25
Red Mountain (2 presses) 2'14"33 (It's crazy, but 1 may be possible.)

Okay, that's all. I did test out a few, though:

Icecap: 1 or 2 is possible.
Twinkle Park: I think I actually completed this one. Anyway, 1 is possible.
Speed Highway: Umm... *thinks* what's that... 3? Yeah, I think so.

This is pretty cool. I'll try some more stages. I can explain these when everyone's done.

Uh, about Amy... isn't that pointless? I mean, her best jump is done with B or X, anyway.

Groudon · « **Reply #41 on:** December 16, 2006, 11:02:09 pm »

Quote from: Marth on December 16, 2006, 10:54:48 pm

Uh, about Amy... isn't that pointless? I mean, her best jump is done with B or X, anyway.

You gotta get up to speed so she can use that. It takes longer if you're not running downhill to be able to use the jump.

X-5 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:45:04 am »

Speed highway- 2:33.05 (3)

*tries again*

Speed highway- 1:56.98 (3) Much easier and faster when I realized it's best to jump to the copter, seeing as you would have to jump otherwise if you take the long route.

edit : *tries one last time*

1:36.58 (3) good enough, the beginning was great, though I did hit one thing going down the building, but atleast I navigated the city pretty well.

And I cut windy valley down to 7, but I just don't see how 5/4 would be possible, seeing as 6 jumps come from the tornado, 5 of which are from the jump panels.

Ring Rush · « **Reply #43 on:** December 17, 2006, 12:03:20 pm »

Paragod: Who are you using? Remember, I know nothing about Sonic Adventure I.

X-5 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 17, 2006, 12:34:01 pm »

I should have mentioned it earlier, but all times (and all future times) for SA1 will be done with sonic, seeing as the other players aren't so fun for a challenge like this.

Stefan · « **Reply #45 on:** December 17, 2006, 01:36:14 pm »

I'll do some minimal a'ing on walker levels now.. :o

also seriously put hunting m1s up :(

Ring Rush · « **Reply #46 on:** December 17, 2006, 01:54:17 pm »

I'll put hunting m1s up as soon as I get my emeralds >_>

Now, go persuade SDM.

And I'm thinking of taking down m5s and replacing it with m2s. Is everyone okay with that?

KnucklesSonic8 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 17, 2006, 02:19:16 pm »

Fine by me.

X-5 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 17, 2006, 02:24:49 pm »

doesn't bother me, because metal harbor 5 was making me mad because there's alot of luck involved and it never went right which made me give up and M2 would overall be more interesting so go for it!

Ring Rush · « **Reply #49 on:** December 17, 2006, 02:33:37 pm »

Mission 5 has now been changed to mission 2.

Groudon · « **Reply #50 on:** December 17, 2006, 06:13:57 pm »

Digital Ciruit/Dark ~ 23 ~ A ~ 6.55.41

Marth · « **Reply #51 on:** December 17, 2006, 09:05:41 pm »

Amy: Yeah, I know it's harder to speed up without pressing A, but the main point of these challenges
is pressing A as little as possible. It's not as good when everyone ties, and only time can be used to decide a winner.

Gamma: The first two are pointless like Amy's. Hot Shelter needs too many jumps. Red Mountain is good, though.

And Tails doesn't seem so great. Yeah, other characters aren't really worth having in this challenge.
Gamma RM should stay, though. Otherwise, I win automatically. :D

Okay, for my next set of records (all Sonic). I didn't try to do them quickly (yet).:

Final Egg (2 presses) 2'22"26 (Oh, by the way, this is GameCube. Dreamcast would be boring.)
Icecap (1 press) 3'07"56 (just used one for the capsule)
Twinkle Park (1 press) 3'35"78
Speed Highway (2 presses) 3'38"16
Red Mountain (0 presses!) 2'49"56

Casinopolis... I'm considering a few ways to get something like 1 or 2, but I'm not sure.
I'll probably be using Dreamcast for this one, because of its different vault design.

And Paragod's post just reminded me that it probably is better to do SH with shortcuts.
(I took the long way when I got 2. 1 is probably possible.)

Oh, yeah, about WV, I know it seems insane, but it really is possible and has been done.
Some of it's secret, but I will say that you don't need to use every jump panel.

Ring Rush · « **Reply #52 on:** December 17, 2006, 09:19:18 pm »

All for eliminating Amy and Tails levels?

X-5 · « **Reply #53 on:** December 17, 2006, 09:20:59 pm »

Speed highway- 2:07.28 (1) easier than I thought, I used the shortcut(jump from the rail that elevator thing rides on to the copter) which is the only place I had to jump, think there's any chance of 0?

And the windy valley trick helped me cut down to 5, not to mention I figured out the big secret that can be used in time attacks :P pretty cool, i'd definitely of never thought of it myself.

an actual completion: windy valley- 1:58.02 (5) decimal could possibly be wrong because once again I forgot it, but I know it had just turned to 1:58 when I hit the capsule.

Groudon · « **Reply #54 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:27:11 pm »

Glyphic Canyon/Hero ~ 6 ~ A ~ 3.18.00
Glyphic Canyon/Neutral ~ 7 ~ A ~ 2.39.55
Glyphic Canyon/Dark ~ 7 ~ A ~ 3.14.55

KnucklesSonic8 · « **Reply #55 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:36:24 pm »

Quote from: Ring Rush on December 17, 2006, 09:19:18 pm

All for eliminating Amy and Tails levels?

I'm FOR eliminating Tails but I still think Amy's should say. If there's an objection, I wouldn't mind if it was deleted, not a big deal to me so it's up to you I guess.

Groudon · « **Reply #56 on:** December 20, 2006, 04:16:40 pm »

Lethal Highway/Hero ~ 0 ~ A ~ 0.13.04
Sky Troops/Dark ~ 9 ~ B ~ 6.29.90

Yep. I decided to apply the 8.44 method to the minimal-A challenge, but with a modification in the strat.

KnucklesSonic8 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 20, 2006, 05:31:13 pm »

New stats for Heroes:

Seaside/Sonic 2A's 4:30:68 Rank E - I rememberd sonicam had like 5:00-something so I beat it. I forget, though, is it A's, then Time then Rank or is it Rank second? If so, sonicam beat me.
Ocean/Dark 6A's 5:31:54, Rank E
Casino/Sonic 8A's; 4:14:28; Rank D
Casino/Dark; 9A's; 4:44:51; Rank D
Rail/Sonic: 6A's; 4:05:56; Rank B
Frog/Rose: 7A's; 2:04:11; Rank A

Also, after playing some of the stages again I've remembered something on one of the stages: could you please remove the division "Mystic Mansion/Sonic". There are just too many A requirements here. If it weren't for the end sections, then maybe this could still be done but please remove it for now.

Groudon · « **Reply #58 on:** December 20, 2006, 09:16:52 pm »

Circus Park/Hero ~ 5 ~ A ~ 2.41.37

Marth · « **Reply #59 on:** December 23, 2006, 03:09:18 pm »

I got this just after my last post:

Speed Highway (Sonic): (1 press) 1'46"60

And this a few days after:

Casinopolis (also Sonic) (0 presses) 4'47"76 (The Dreamcast version has a clear advantage here.)

Now, I just need to redo each level for faster times. Except Sky Deck and Lost World.
I don't know if I'll do them at all. They need too many jumps.

Paragod, don't forget that what you found was only one trick. You're still missing one-
the Death Line Hax. Anyway, I should redo WV, either for a faster time, or for 4 A-button presses.

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